Sharon Tseung 0:02
Hey guys, it’s Sharon from digital nomad quest and today I’m super excited. We have the one and only William hung. How are you doing today?

Unknown Speaker 0:09
Oh, I’m feeling amazing.

Sharon Tseung 0:11
Awesome. Me too. You’ve probably seen William on American Idol. There. He became a viral sensation, maybe for the wrong reasons but ended up appearing on Jimmy Kimmel Live. The Ellen DeGeneres Show and so many more shows even performed with Ricky Martin himself, right?

Unknown Speaker 0:27
Yeah, incredible.

Sharon Tseung 0:28
Yeah. And his first album actually ended up skyrocketing number one on independent Billboard charts. Now he’s become this amazing motivational speaker. I spoken for Microsoft, REMAX and more and has done TED Talks as well. I actually watched your TED talk and was really motivated. Yeah, amazing. So it’s just really amazing to see what you’ve done, William. I actually really want to speak with you for multiple reasons. So my audience includes like a lot of entrepreneurs who are trying to build passive income towards financial freedom. Yeah, my Yeah, my sort of mission is to kind of inspire people design your life. And yeah, and when you’re an entrepreneur, I feel like you kind of face rejection all the time, right? Because yes, yeah. So you’re being vulnerable, creating things for the world, and you’re just subject to people’s feedback, and I think is one of the keys to success to be able to handle rejection and, and face obstacles. And you’ve really done that and done amazing things with your life. And also, I heard you quit your job recently, because you have multiple streams of income, which I want to talk about later. So I just think you’re like the perfect person to talk to so it was awesome. Yeah, so let’s rewind. Actually a lot. So it looks like we both are born in Hong Kong and went to UC Berkeley. So yeah. When did you move to the US and what was it like growing up in the US?

Unknown Speaker 1:51
Well, I was moving to the United States, my family back in 1993. I did not much English except for greeting people. I didn’t know, I didn’t even know how to order food. I didn’t know how to handle my classes. So it was a process. I was in ESL classes. When I started Elementary School in fourth grade. It took about three years away to get comfortable with the English language.

Sharon Tseung 2:21
Okay, yeah, actually moved to Hong Kong in 93 as well, but I was like three or two or something like that. Oh, yeah. How old? Are you?

Unknown Speaker 2:30
10 years old.

Sharon Tseung 2:30
Oh, that says it’s probably hard to like pick up at that age. Was it hard to pick up English? Or

Unknown Speaker 2:36
I took some time, but maybe maybe it’s not as hard as well as for other people because all that active because some people you know, it takes a long, long time and they still don’t get it. Yeah, it was different. Yeah.

Sharon Tseung 2:48
Yeah, for sure. And then I heard a you audition for American Idol. And when you were in Berkeley, right?

Unknown Speaker 2:55
Yes. Yeah.

Sharon Tseung 2:56
So what made you have the courage to even do that like what made you Do you want to do that?

Unknown Speaker 3:02
Well, I started thinking karaoke with my parents since I was 10 years old. Okay. And then as time went along, I like to compete in different things like video game competitions, math and science trivia competitions in high school. And then I got I got accepted into UC Berkeley for civil engineering. I thought my dream came true. Hmm. But I struggled with the with the courses, I wasn’t feeling passionate about them. So I knew that something had to change. And I and during that time, I went into this depression. Like, like, I want to, like check out the world for some reason. So my roommate introduced me to this game video game called Final Fantasy 10. PlayStation. Yeah, and then I spend like 100 hundreds of hours. Not only just beat the game, but like, totally overpower achieve everything and all the tricky trophies in the PlayStation, you could think he was crazy, but at the end of that journey, and I realize, wait a minute. Do you know the hero in the game is pretty cool. So what if I could become a hero in real life? Nice, huh? And then a few days later, I saw this poster for school talent show at the clock curve dormitories.

Unknown Speaker 4:36
I remember that.

Unknown Speaker 4:36
Yeah. And then and then I started watching beauty videos online from Ricky Martin’s thinking she bangs and I thought it was really funny. Really cool. So I want to do that song. I had no expectations. But to my surprise, I was nice. Guess what, guess why I want a dv The player. Ah, nice. So that’s what gave you the confidence to audition for American Idol.

Sharon Tseung 5:07
Okay, that’s awesome. So yeah, what when you audition? What was that? Like?

Unknown Speaker 5:11
Why I took I took the BART the train to the to the San Francisco pacbell Park at a time that you Yeah, a huge baseball park. Yeah. And then there’s like 3000 other people standing in line.

Unknown Speaker 5:25
Oh, interesting. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 5:26
Yeah, I thought when I was standing in line, all these other people were so serious. I was like, Okay, well, I just got into doo doo my shoe base. And then see what happens. Actually out of the way was I ended up sinking to Worlds by Phil Collins in the preliminary audition. And then one of the former producers making wolf lick. She loved my audition. She led me through. Okay, got it. And then the next time Then the next day I auditioned in front of producers, they let me through again. And by that time by the second day, they told me that she told me that I think she banks did. Yeah. And then I finally met Randy, Paula and Simon. Oh, that’s what that’s what I think she bangs again, but not so lucky. That

Sharon Tseung 6:21
was scary. And like, how did you feel when they like commented?

Unknown Speaker 6:25
I was actually nervous before I even started auditioning for the three celebrity judges. Yeah, that’s why my, my movement is so

Sharon Tseung 6:37
nice. Well, so I mean, afterwards, you know, they they said no, right. So did you feel bad about it? Or were you like, Okay, that was cool. It was a cool experience, or how did that feel?

Unknown Speaker 6:49
Well, I always expected Simon to be them being guy. That’s just how he is. And I mean, I don’t know him personally. uh that well I’ll start the show by know that during the show at this back that right because now he’s so much more mellow but but back then he he wants to wants to the mean guy so yeah I expected that from him like Chad saying you can’t die. What do you want me to say?

Sharon Tseung 7:16
Yeah. Okay and then like what was life like after that audition? So did you just become this viral sensation right after or like, How How did that happen?

Unknown Speaker 7:27
Well, after it was a four month gap between the audition and then the when they broadcast it on TV when they broadcast when I when I saw myself on TV, I was shocked. They really choose my audition. Yeah. But then I said, I was thinking to my thinking to myself like, well, just because they broadcast my audition doesn’t mean anything’s gonna happen. Most people nothing really ever happens. They just had a good laugh. And that’s it. And then And then for my audition though, right after my day broadcast it I got like over over 200 emails. Oh, wow. Okay, Berkeley email. Yeah. It was like Entertainment Tonight, Ryan Seacrest show movie opportunities, and all the other people that I don’t know how I ever got my email.

Sharon Tseung 8:19
Wow. Okay, and what I mean, that’s probably like a cool feeling right? Like, where was that kind of like the dream life? You wanted to be this famous person?

Unknown Speaker 8:30
I that was the start of the whole journey. Yeah. Because because, yeah. And then I got even more responses after that. In a way I know that is one of my former classmates. He mentioned how there were like 1010s or hundreds of people selling my T shirts, bobblehead dolls on eBay.

Sharon Tseung 8:53
Oh my gosh. Yeah. How I mean, how did that feel for you?

Unknown Speaker 8:58
I didn’t know What to what to how to look at it at the time except that I feel that I need to do something I don’t want I don’t want to just hide in fear. Yeah, so yeah that’s that’s why that’s why I decided to give the entertainment career a chance. And then and then few days after that what am i fans dancin created the website called William hung dotnet. Two days Woohoo, calm. It got over like 8 million hits in less than a month. Wow. Okay, that’s

Sharon Tseung 9:29
crazy.

Unknown Speaker 9:31
Yeah, that’s that and then and then that’s when I got the record company. I got a call me. He said, Oh, hey, William. I just heard on the news that your website got like over 8 million hits. We want to take a chance on you. We want to offer you a record contract for $25,000.

Sharon Tseung 9:52
And then you took care, right?

Unknown Speaker 9:53
Yeah. As a college student, you know, that’s that’s a lot of money.

Sharon Tseung 9:56
Yeah, that’s awesome. So then how long did this music career Like, take, and then you know what happened after that?

Unknown Speaker 10:03
Well, I knew that signing the contract moving forward means that it will be a point of no return. Because Because I can’t go back, I really need to commit to it. You know, I need to take time off school. Everybody will know who I am. I could be on all these TV shows and live performances. So yeah, it took I took some time to think about it, because at the same time I got those offers. I got some criticism, especially from the media, how I portray Asian stereotypes. I shouldn’t be in the entertainment business. I don’t have true talent. So yeah, yeah. So, but ultimately, I don’t want to have regrets in my life. Because I know, I know, that’s like a once in a lifetime opportunity. I took it. And then I got like, a lot of life performances after that, and that’s how the whole career started.

Sharon Tseung 10:55
It’s amazing. So, you know, afterwards, you know, you said you took a YouTube All right. So what made that transition happen? Like, why didn’t you keep going with everything?

Unknown Speaker 11:07
Well, Sharon, I wish I could live my dream life forever. Getting paid lots of money traveling, performing everywhere. It’s a great life. Yeah, I know. Everybody will take it. But unfortunately, after about four years, my entertainment career slowed down, and then I had to make a choice. Do I want to keep going for showbiz? Or did I want to get a stable job? I think maybe it’s time to get a stable job. Maybe I can settle in I make enough money. I can just invest and have a peaceful life. And that’s that’s why I decided I finished school for get my bachelor’s degree in math. And then I started working for the government in Los Angeles area.

Sharon Tseung 11:52
How long were you working there? And you’ve already quit, right?

Unknown Speaker 11:56
Yeah, I guess quit not that long ago. Oh, awesome. Yeah, thank you. So I work two years for the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department and then six years for the Pomona Public Health Corps. And then I finally quit my job about two to three weeks ago.

Sharon Tseung 12:15
Oh, wow. Congrats. So now you have multiple sources of income. Could you tell us more about those streams of income?

Unknown Speaker 12:23
Yeah, so so the so this is Sharon, it’s not about the money because I made pretty good money from my government job, cool. I just don’t feel like I’m living to my fullest potential. I feel there’s so much more I can do in the world. And I don’t want to be trapped in my cubicle for the rest of my life. I think what happened was like, when I first started with the sheriff’s department, I thought I was gonna be really excited. I guess I guess people probably have seen like CSI Crime Scene Investigation, but I thought that would be the kind of work I’m doing. Yeah, instead I was reading police reports about murder, rape, burglary. And then I need to they want me to just extract the data for crime reporting

Sharon Tseung 13:10
isn’t a bad thing to see that are like,

Unknown Speaker 13:12
yeah, imagine you read read all those details, you know, every day two, and you get it, you have to get numb to it. I guess you have to extract the info in there. So yeah, I Oh, no, I didn’t sign up for that. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then for the public health job, you know, I it was like an administrative assistant job. And I learned I learned a lot from it. I am very grateful for the skill set and the mindset that I improved over the years to get to where I am, but I feel I still feel like you know, there’s something missing because I’m not creating my own unique value in the world.

Sharon Tseung 13:49
Yeah. Now we’re all about that, like with the mind, podcast, and blog, and all that stuff all about trying to, you know, inspire people and design their lives. So it’s really cool to see where you’re Doing so I mean your ideal life when it comes to all these things you’re doing like speaking and stuff like that is being a speaker what you’re trying to, you know do for your life kind of thing. Is that your passion?

Unknown Speaker 14:12
Yeah, it’s one of my passions for sure. So, so that so that’s why in the last three years, I started traveling and speaking around the world again. And then the way I started it was I make connection through Toastmasters. Oh, cool. So just for the listeners that might not know what it is. Toastmasters is like a platform for people to show up to the local meetings and and practice their speaking every week or every two weeks.

Unknown Speaker 14:38
Yeah, how long are you in Toastmasters? over eight years? Wow, that’s

Sharon Tseung 14:42
a long time. Was it? I mean, was it was that part scary? And were you you know, when you were first starting out, like compared to now hasn’t been a drastic improvement?

Unknown Speaker 14:51
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think right now, the way I deliver my presentations is it feels like I’m a true professional speaker to be far more like, you know, amateur just talking about himself, you know. So it’s a big difference. But But I think that it’s be it’s not just the poll ground or showing up each week. It’s who you connect with. I connected with a very important person about three years ago. She’s still one of my lifelong dear friends. Her name is Amy Lee. She works with Bank of America now. But she was the catalyst for getting things started, because she talked to the President from Asian Real Estate Association of America. And that’s how I got my first closing keynote.

Sharon Tseung 15:41
Oh, that’s amazing. And then that kind of made you want to keep going or what?

Unknown Speaker 15:45
Yeah, I just, I just feel so good. That I was like, had tears of joy, right after I’d gone.

Sharon Tseung 15:53
It’s an amazing feeling. Yeah. So then, I mean, I’m interested in learning more about this because I’m a very introverted person. I get you know, I get shy and awkward and stuff like that. So you do have tips on how to become a speaker and maybe around not only booking speaking gigs and also you know how to speak well on stage and stuff like that. So maybe you can give tips on both of those things.

Unknown Speaker 16:16
Oh, absolutely. So so for speaking, I would say the first step is to figure out what your message is. Like, sometimes we think about this overwhelming 45 minutes, 60 minutes speech, 15 minute speech, whatever it is, but maybe we can simplify it by thinking about if you only had one sentence, what was your speech be about? So figure out that one overall message first, and then you can develop a framework? Because I hate memorizing my speeches. I don’t like to memorize my speeches. This is not something I recommend to my clients or my friends. So instead of trying to memorize word for word, maybe a better approach is to know your message in your Heart. And then you could develop like, like three keys, four pillars, three steps, whatever. Yeah, what is and then you can present that to the audience.

Sharon Tseung 17:10
And then what other tips do you have for like booking gigs and stuff like that?

Unknown Speaker 17:15
The best way to book speaking engagements is to be proactive. Figure out who the event organizers are. Yeah. And then just pick up the phone. Call them.

Sharon Tseung 17:24
It’s awesome. Okay, so yeah, you have speaking you’ve also you also have online coaching for storytelling, you sell books, you also play poker. And you also deliver inspirational messages for people and stuff like that. Right. So those are your kind of side hustles. Which one? Do you love the most out of all those?

Unknown Speaker 17:42
Well, right now, Sharon, I actually enjoy poker a lot.

Sharon Tseung 17:47
Okay, that’s interesting, huh? Yeah. How long have you been doing that?

Unknown Speaker 17:52
I started playing poker about 15 years ago, but more like as a hobby because I remember After one of my performances in Reno, Nevada, I got introduced to the one to $1 $2 limit games. And then somehow I was lucky enough to be like $300. Like, what? How is this possible? Over the years I played on and off, you know, not all the time. And I would say last couple years is when I took the game very seriously, you know, I studied, I really look at how I play, but the biggest, biggest win Sharon from from playing poker is not the money. The biggest win I’ve gotten is my improving my mental game and then the mindset as an entrepreneur, because because because poker, a lot of people, they have a misconception that is about it’s gambling. It’s about making fake blobs, looking cool looking cool. Actually, none of that. It’s about making calm and calculated decisions

Unknown Speaker 18:55
every single hand.

Sharon Tseung 18:56
And you find that kind of relates to entrepreneurship as well.

Unknown Speaker 19:00
Absolutely love it because as entrepreneurs as we both know, we have to take calculated risks every day.

Sharon Tseung 19:07
Yeah, definitely. How How long did you study poker? Like, do you do that every day? Or how does that work?

Unknown Speaker 19:14
Yeah, now I regularly put in like 30 minutes or an hour every single day because I take the game very seriously. But But before you know it just for fun, I would say I would say the I would say now I’d like be cut because of poker. I have to improve the intangibles. Right, that allows us to succeed as entrepreneurs, for example, managing sleep, because because before I used to be terrible at sleep, I sleep apnea I don’t I just random Sleep, sleep and then it could be like late in the night could be earlier at night, no consistent sleep schedule, no idea what I’m doing. And then the other thing I improved I had to improve on was, you know, my, my health, my overall health, so I had to change my diet. How to exercise more so because they affect my focus and energy tables. But I realized by doing these things, the intangible things, I’m improving my overall life when I when I do speaking on stage or coaching my clients everything right?

Sharon Tseung 20:18
Yeah, so that comes down to health. It’s so funny because I think this year, I’m really focused on health. I’m trying to improve my sleep, also my diet and stuff like that. So what are your tips around sleep actually, because I have a lot of insomnia. So I’d love to hear what you’re doing to manage that.

Unknown Speaker 20:34
So for sleep, I would say having a consistent sleeping time, very helpful for you, and then maybe give yourself like 30 minutes to an hour to power down before you sleep. So one of one of the routines I have for before right before I sleep is I would review my session for poker and then I when I listen to audio that helps me create Prepare to sleep. Interesting. Okay, well, maybe drink some water brush my teeth, whatever. Yeah, peloton, right? Yeah, one of the most most the biggest thing that I that was for me is mixture when you’re asleep. It’s pitch dark. No lights. Yeah, no foam near you not too close. Yeah though. Yeah, just just pitch dark. And then yeah, and and now what you notice I notice is that quality of sleep the way I wake up is so different.

Sharon Tseung 21:27
Yeah, that’s definitely something I need to do like the power down especially actually because I think as an entrepreneur, you’re always thinking you’re always trying to like, work on your hustle and stuff like that, but definitely not period, but it helped me. And so now you are actually going to do a poker tournament in like, an hour and a half, right?

Unknown Speaker 21:45
Yeah. So so I’ll be playing at $1 billion guaranteed at the Venetian today, around 11 o’clock. So yeah, I’m excited. Yeah, by the same time, I do. Tell me, I told myself when I meditate this morning, that I’m going to stay calm. Yeah, only the Y can control whatever happens. I’m grateful.

Sharon Tseung 22:08
It’s amazing. That’s, that’s I should do that more, you know, meditate, say I’m grateful. I think that’s a, that’s exciting. I hope you do really well at the tournament. So besides poker, you know, you have the online coaching. I’d love to hear more about that, too. There’s a point where I wanted to actually try coaching and stuff like that. So when did when did you start doing that? And how difficult was it to like start setting that up? Well, for the online coaching or sharing

Unknown Speaker 22:34
is actually challenging to create because I have no I guess, I guess the market places for a crowded as you probably know, yeah, yeah. So So the way I got started was last year, I decided that I don’t want to just keep running around and doing speaking engagements. Even if I get paid, like let’s say three. Let’s pretend Okay. Hey, like $5,000 Each speaking engagements, I run around 10 times around the country of the world each year. It’s really not that great, you know? Because Because I’m trading a lot of time and energy to do those engaged speaking engagements. It could be fun, but it’s, I don’t want to just rely on that. So that’s why I realize I need another source of income in the life that I want. Kind of, okay. In terms of getting started. I’m very fortunate because I work with Coach business coach. We said, Joe, after employee to entrepreneur, and the reason I found her is because I had a couple friends in my network that got amazing results by working with her. They have they now have like six figure businesses online coaching businesses, so Wow, that’s amazing. You know, it’s like great, I should be able to do this. So that’s how I saw I got started and then why why learn so far about building the business. It’s like, I only think Got, like a few paying clients. So it’s not like it’s not like all of a sudden, you know, this is the next big thing for me yet. But I feel like I’m on a journey to get there because because my because I buy by walking with her and other people in the network, I learned that we have to be very clear about a specific problem with solving in order to attract the right people.

Sharon Tseung 24:23
Do you feel like you enjoy that part more or the speaking part more?

Unknown Speaker 24:28
I definitely enjoy the speaking part more. But I also don’t mind taking on a few coaching clients and the way I approached our coaching is I do like premium value based pricing. Okay, cool. So for the listeners that might not be familiar with that. It’s not about X amount of money per hour. Because I think that’s models in the past. Right? It’s, it’s about what kind of impact I can make on you in your life and changing your life. Okay, and then how much is that worth to you?

Sharon Tseung 25:04
How does that work? So the premium pricing, so it’s not per hour? No. Okay, how does that work?

Unknown Speaker 25:09
Sure. So so the way so the way I figured that out is I, I did some market research on other coaches that means that doing similar things meaning public speaking, coaching or coaching, okay, and I found that the most experienced coaches, they are charging like 4500 or even six grand every three months.

Sharon Tseung 25:34
Okay, so it’s like monthly type of thing or like for certain amount of months,

Unknown Speaker 25:38
no duty Yeah, sort of mom bombs. Every course is a little bit different. A couple of the coaches I research they, what they do is they do something called re IP day, which means the date you spent a lot of time one time with that, that coach and then he or she will help develop the entire talk for you how to market your talk. So it’s been one long day, so bye bye. Pricing is similar at that level. So that’s how I know like, Okay, well, I don’t want to charge something like 1500 because that’s what that’s what my coach initially recommended me to do for for for other areas like health coaching 1500 for three months makes makes more sense but for what I’m doing it doesn’t make sense it feels like I’m putting in too much work. And it’s not as I’m getting not enough for, you know, all of it. So that’s why I decided to change my price point at 3000 for three months.

Unknown Speaker 26:31
Okay, and I that’s how I met.

Unknown Speaker 26:33
Yeah, how often do you have to do work with the client then if it’s like a monthly or a three month package? How does that work? So, but for my coach is that that it’s better to do weekly, weekly meetings, when I first started out, and then the way we can progress, once you get like the first three to five clients, and they maybe get between five to 10. Maybe you can decide you know whether you can change the coaching model that So the idea for people starting out the coaching program with the weekly meetings is that is that you get more feedback from your clients, you can see what’s working and what’s not working.

Sharon Tseung 27:10
Okay, cool. And do you feel like that coach really change how you do a lot of your things like with speaking with coaching and stuff like Matt, do you recommend having a business coach or a life coach? Yes.

Unknown Speaker 27:23
I am so grateful to have Louisa on my on my corner, because now the speaking engagements I’m doing is is is more targeted to get more to get coaching clients. Like, for example, I’m choosing to speak at a couple of annual conferences for Toastmasters later this year. And the idea behind that is because you know, people that are passionate about public speaking, they pay money to short the annual conferences. I speak for those conferences. Even if I don’t get paid up front. I’m much more likely to get my next coaching clients.

Sharon Tseung 27:57
Yeah, okay. Now that makes sense. That’s Definitely like a marketing thing where you kind of make sure you start with a target audience that actually cares about what you’re doing, but possibly will convert. Speaking of marketing, do you have any other tips around it? And what’s kind of the best way to get word out about maybe your events, your coaching services? And like your book, you know, what, what are some of your marketing tips?

Unknown Speaker 28:20
For my for my book, I treat it more like, like, like a side income. I don’t see that being my primary source of income. Unless something crazy happens on TV. news or something went viral. But yeah, no, I don’t expect that by instead what I’m doing with the book is every time I speak, I also offer my book I invite people to learn more by me, and that’s it that generates a nice side income like between 500 to 1000 a month.

Sharon Tseung 28:48
Oh, cool. Okay, so kind of like cross promotion with your different things. Sounds like you’re speaking you can promote your coaching. You can also promote your book and things like that. That’s definitely a good marketing So what’s kind of one of the biggest lessons you’ve learned about entrepreneurship and building income?

Unknown Speaker 29:05
The biggest one of the biggest lesson I learned is that you, you really have to be your own boss. Yeah. Because I just quit my job a couple weeks ago, and I realized it’s a completely different lifestyle.

Sharon Tseung 29:21
Yeah, definitely.

Unknown Speaker 29:22
You don’t really know what it is until you do it.

Sharon Tseung 29:25
Yeah, I know for sure. I mean, I saw I quit my job in 2016. And then I travel for two years. And I was like, oh, building passive income while I was doing that. Yeah. So it was definitely an interesting feeling. And I feel like everyone has to kind of experience that to really understand how entrepreneurship really is kind of thing. So totally understand that. And so I think like a big theme around everything you’ve done is, you know, facing fear and then overcoming that what what is your advice for people who want to be as confident and fearless as you

Unknown Speaker 29:57
Hmm, I was say that that you want to have some idea about the life that you want to create and what you want is and then more importantly, what you want to stand for.

Sharon Tseung 30:12
Yeah, that’s a good that’s a good one. I think like understanding your why right. Your purpose?

Unknown Speaker 30:17
Yeah, the value that you division, you know, that you want to put out in the world.

Sharon Tseung 30:22
What is your why or what is your purpose?

Unknown Speaker 30:26
Well, Sharon, this is something I’m still working on. Yeah. But I would say that I want to see more people do what they love. Yeah, it sounds simple, but it’s not because because you have to be really honest with yourself. And I think I think that’s, you know, we making a reference to your earlier question. The biggest lesson learned so far. Neil, but you know, Jerry, I was say being honest with you. yourself is the most important lesson I learned. Because Because because you don’t have a boss watching over your shoulder, you could slack off. You could do all the unproductive things as simple as active. But it’s not that important.

Sharon Tseung 31:13
Yeah, no, for sure. And I think like being honest with yourself, even, you know, if you are working a job, being honest with yourself about, like, your purpose, and what you actually love, is really important because some people just stay at their jobs forever. And then they don’t really think about, oh, this is actually who I am. I don’t want to be doing this. I want to do something more with my life. So it is very important to kind of ask yourself who you really are. So that’s great advice. So yeah, what are your future plans now? Like, what are some of the goals you’re trying to hit? Or like, do you have any Are you living your dream life like what’s going on right now for you

Unknown Speaker 31:51
all, Sharon, I’m in terms of the life that I’m trying to create. I just have to take steps to get there. I would say that growing my own life coaching program would be would be something I’m working on. It’s not something that I could rush to get to a destination. Because Because Because I want to still do what feels happy. My heart first, because because if I’m not happy then what’s the point? Yeah, so so I still enjoy poker, I’m still gonna keep playing poker, but over time, maybe the next six months and it’s 12 months, I want to roll my online coaching program. And I could see that happening from my upcoming speaking engagements.

Sharon Tseung 32:31
Yeah, that’s great. That’s so great that you’re inspiring people from all different types like with with the speaking with the coaching one on one with them, I think you’re going to be able to make such an impact and, you know, congrats on all your success. And really, thanks for sharing your story with us. It’s really amazing to see how you’ve, like overcome so much and becomes the huge success that you are today and thanks for sharing your tips. I mean, I think this interview will be really informative to the viewers and listeners out there. So thanks again, William for coming on the show. Yo

Unknown Speaker 33:00
Yo, welcome

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